honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2012 3:02:54 AM
T42 and YaB: you're right. Too bad that people in this country for the most part can't see past the ruse and just believe Faux Noise all around w/out doing their own thinking or research.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2012 3:00:48 AM
trust me, said the spider to the fly...
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rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 5:49:28 PM
Why export oil that we need here?
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 9:03:10 AM
The Keystone XL would be a safer route to transport the Canadian oil, let's get her built!
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numbers

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North Dakota
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 4:45:26 AM
What else
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YaBassa

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2012 4:37:40 AM
TransCanada has a great plan. Leaking pipelines and leaking oil tankers.
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teafortwo

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Washington
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 11:46:44 PM
BIG OIL & GAS love us
"Pipeline route is safe" ... so says BIG OIL
"Cigarette smoking is safe" ... so says BIG TOBACCO
Who needs science and Doctors when you can get advice from BIG GREED industry shills & trolls?
Congressional testimony admitting: - pipeline will INCREASE domestic fuel prices because of plans to EXPORT fuel - pipeline threatens water supplies - "technology ahead of regulatory oversight" - need for "updated safety regulations" because tarsands oil is "more dangerous" ... - Transcanada has been "threatening landowners" to force them to allow pipeline - Trandscanada has no legitimate claim for "eminent domain"
BIG OIL & GAS love us
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N5EXY

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Austin
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:09:08 PM
So what did you expect them to say?
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Amtrgas

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:01:26 PM
Pipelines are only as safe as you make them. If you take changes, and cut corners, then mistakes can happen.
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SammyAdams

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:20:49 PM
I am all for the Keystone XL pipeline, but it seems like they have a few hurdles to cross and some problems to solve if they expect to build a pipeline that traverses the U.S. The northern Gateway pipeline has its own problems, too, so it would behoove TransCanada to work with American ranchers, if they favor the route towards the Gulf of Mexico.
My biggest objection is the way that American property owners seem to have no say in negotiating any easements across their land. It doesn't appear that this project will ever work to the mutual happiness of the parties if it must go through the environmentally sensitive land of Nebraska. Why not chart a new route where property owners would not find the pipeline objectionable? Freedom and willing parties always work out better.
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tedjm1

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New York
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:19:27 PM
There are always alternates.
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crazycow2332

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Nashville
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:15:02 PM
ok
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pizzaman09

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:13:52 PM
IT GO.
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flagman420CT

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New Haven
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:13:52 PM
Put it on them!!
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LoneGuy

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:12:16 PM
So now the Canadians have given up on the Keystone Pipeline and have a way to send oil to the west coast and on to Asian markets. So much for Obama's dithering. I heard him take credit for the increased production on my way to work tonight. The speaker said that the US in 2010 produced 32% of it's own energy. The increase lately has been on private and state lands. The area under Obama's control has seen federal land drop from 32% to 19% since he took office.
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jkpsr

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:10:44 PM
Let Canada assume the risk, not us.
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ron98146

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:08:10 PM
ok, China needs the oil.
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mikaye

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:06:36 PM
if the transport canada wants it, they will downplay any potential problems and ignore safety concerns
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Cheney

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:06:03 PM
if you can read, this is a trans-Canada pipeline. OK? Not the Keystone-XL down to TX. Got it?
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herbiepopnecker

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:05:37 PM
It's safe because they were told to SAY SO. They've offered absolutely no proof of researching anything, they're just SAYING SO be cause the Prime Minister's Office told them to. They're absolutely no obstacles LIKE THE ONE THAT SUNK THE BC FERRY right there that everyone in BC knows about, eh?
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regout

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Quebec
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:04:46 PM
Maybe yes maybe no.
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heartbroken2010

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:04:40 PM
will always be opposition for this pipeline
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:02:53 PM
Sounds like a bluff.
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Tehbob

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California
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:00:59 PM
Are you people reading the article? IT'S FOR CHINA!!!! It states "...shipped to the West Coast by pipeline and exported to Asian markets via a marine terminal at Kitimat".
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Throroughbred

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:59:55 PM
Go figure?
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jorod55

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California
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:59:23 PM
What's wrong with this picture?
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96sc1

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:56:57 PM
The pipeline will be as safe as the hundreds of others which have established a precedent.
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LSU_TIGERS_dmb

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Louisiana
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:55:14 PM
Madam is right that the oil is under the water or ground. That's were oil comes from under the water and ground. It's part of mother earth and if oil was bad for the earth why after billions of years we are still alive.
Only the far left tree huggers think oil is bad
Build the pipeline and if the president want then vote him out in november.
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Ethan777OH

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:54:38 PM
ok
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searescue

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Victoria
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:53:48 PM
The port of Kitimat is not an easy port to enter, It requires a Pilot on board to enter, that should tell you the risks right there
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danreino

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:53:09 PM
I agree with tippybuddy & clermont40mile
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MacDad614

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:50:30 PM
sydb7: Do you mean "Remember the Exxon Valdez"?
Valdez is the port town in Alaska.
The ship that spilled between one-quarter and three-quarters of a million barrels of crude oil in the waters at the town of Valdez, Alaska was named the Exxon Valdez. Some of that oil is still there, buried under the surface along the shoreline. All one has to do is dig below the surface to find oil.
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tippybuddy

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:50:00 PM
as a Cdn I prefer it's sold to the US...
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HYEgasCA

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:49:59 PM
Clermont40mile is absolutely positively correct!!
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txkrb

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Texas
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:44:45 PM
The Canadians are going to sell the tar sands oil, the question ids to whom Asia or the US, if the pipeline is not built the oil will go to Asia
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us4usa

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:44:40 PM
When will we see the plans for a pipeline from ND. to TX.???
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kp12

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Wyoming
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:42:26 PM
no
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regout

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Quebec
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:39:47 PM
Maybe yes maybe no.
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clermont40miles

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:38:49 PM
There goes the Canuck oil.
Greenies don't seem to understand that the product will be used because there is demand. Changing the route or the customer does not meet their STATED goal.
The real goal is destroying industrialized (western-free) society.
Green is red.
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DozenSpeed

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:38:03 PM
When you cook a meal, does not some of the food material get spilled or otherwise lost in production? Has this stopped you from nourishing yourself because of this occurance? Or do you just try to be more careful to avoid waste and clean up food prep residues?
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MacDad614

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:37:50 PM
hagar2935: most disrespectful to the President of the United States.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Who do you blame for the oil being sold to China? It is GREED on the part of the big oil corporations as well as the bankers who believe, along with Mitch McConnell, that they can hold onto their money to ensure that the President serves only one term. It took GW 8 years to put us into this hole. Did you really think the President would get us out in one term? But then, you make sure he does not succeed by refusing to give qualified people mortgages for homes. You hold onto your money to make sure the unemployment rate is maintained at the level it is.
"There will always be residual risk in any project," says the report.
Is that something like collateral damage when civilians are killed in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan? ––––––––––––– BTW, The title is misleading most readers here that a report has found that the pipeline refers to the Keystone pipeline. This report is about shipping oil to foreign markets directly from Canada, and that Keystone pipeline project is not necessary if the buyers of the oil have refineries, which was the primary reason the pipeline would have been built to the Gulf coast where the most refineries are located.
[Edited by: MacDad614 at 2/26/2012 11:40:42 PM EST]
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leraar2

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:37:33 PM
bs.
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CorvairHaven

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:35:24 PM
ok
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mcmonsta

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:33:31 PM
who paid for this report? hoiw believeable is it?
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sydb7

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:33:15 PM
ok. remember the Valdez!
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sit

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:32:35 PM
OK
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95Vette

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:30:55 PM
Over and Over again
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Sundarakhemesi

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:30:49 PM
O.k
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Taurus1

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:29:20 PM
Of course, they will say it is safe.
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Petrothirst

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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 8:22:17 PM
Like the article says, there is always risk in any project.
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