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EPA hints at major auto industry probe of mileage claims

GasBuddy Blog -- When we reported Wednesday that Hyundai and Kia had misrepresented mileage claims on multiple vehicles, we couldn't help but wonder how they were able to put false numbers on sticker prices that are supposedly reviewed and approved by the EPA.

Are those numbers valid? That’s the question motorists – and regulators – are left wondering in the wake of the revelation, last week, that Hyundai and Kia had inflated their own mileage figures by as much as 6 mpg on 13 separate models. The Environmental Protection Agency is apparently getting ready to review other makers’ mileage claims, the Detroit Bureau reports.

Meanwhile, even numbers that meet government scrutiny are coming under question because of the way the auto industry...

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Submitted Nov 13, 2012 By: PD

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Under_Score Rookie Author Los Angeles Posts:34 Points:7,160 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 9:58:46 PM Ignore Under_Score Report Abuse Hmmm I bet they're not the only ones. Maybe some of the cars get the good mileage and most don't, like the ones I end up with.
Timons All-Star Author Houston Posts:698 Points:495,200 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 1:35:54 PM Ignore Timons Report Abuse Automakers are beginning to use deceptive advertising!? (Text does not allow you to detect my sarcasm.)
keo Champion Author Colorado Posts:10,261 Points:2,035,815 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 7:46:35 AM Ignore keo Report Abuse again?
captcarl5 Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:406 Points:175,130 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 8:03:53 AM Ignore captcarl5 Report Abuse its about time they update the standards
jamtexFL Rookie Author Miami Posts:6 Points:700 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 2:48:42 PM Ignore jamtexFL Report Abuse that's the only way to do it is to sanction them... its only right for the consumers
GLM4205 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,057 Points:800,295 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:05:01 AM Ignore GLM4205 Report Abuse I agree with BILL100.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 3:08:06 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse EPA / Cafe standards have long lost their connection to reality.
FNB1967 Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,837 Points:766,645 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:43:31 AM Ignore FNB1967 Report Abuse Interesting
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:6,404 Points:1,356,845 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:31:22 PM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse God only knows.
Rhino8of8 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,245 Points:375,140 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:16:50 AM Ignore Rhino8of8 Report Abuse I am not one for 'more government intervention', but the epa was ALREADY supposed to be checking this. They fell down on it. I don't wanna see them adding more requirements or intervention... but rather just get back to doing what they were supposed to in the first place.
nskmda Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,290 Points:787,530 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:49:20 AM Ignore nskmda Report Abuse @Bill100 do u really believe in what u r saying? this would _only_ work if consumers have all the information and are all educated. which is only distant future ideal situation (if possible at all). otherwise there would not be so many lawyers in the US.
nskmda Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,290 Points:787,530 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:47:37 AM Ignore nskmda Report Abuse still yesterday's news?
Bill100 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:41,498 Points:1,163,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 7:46:16 AM Ignore Bill100 Report Abuse Just what we need. More government oversight. Why not just let the markets rule? If one or more manufacturers is posting inaccurate numbers and consumers learn it, consumers stop buying their cars. They lose business and go to bed hungry. Why do we need government to say "You did wrong! Now we're going to give you a bunch of chances to do right." Market economics will eventually always dictate the ultimate pass or fail marks for any company. Regulation is an unnecessary expense and perhaps unlimited opportunities for forgiveness for companies. All manufacturers need to do is to build a better mousetrap. Nothing more.
badbonita Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,229 Points:1,354,685 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 7:23:56 AM Ignore badbonita Report Abuse Soemthing needs to be done to keep the auto manufacturers - and any other industry - honest but the last thing we need is a further bloated federal government.
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,312 Points:1,522,170 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 7:08:42 AM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse This is why we need a consumer protection agency...busines isn't looking out for us, just looking for our money.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,355 Points:1,243,325 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 7:06:24 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse What a waste. Everyone knows you don't trust EPA mileage estimates.
Chinto12 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,031 Points:409,860 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:53:50 AM Ignore Chinto12 Report Abuse Once again the EPA demonstrates how inefficient a government run bureaucracy can be. I can hardly wait for the IRS to run ObamaCare.
dr047 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,597 Points:518,420 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:53:37 AM Ignore dr047 Report Abuse Most people drive like their butt is on fire and then whine because they're not getting the mileage they should get. .... DUH!
bart_reed Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,979 Points:786,605 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:52:30 AM Ignore bart_reed Report Abuse Get to the bottom of this.
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,859 Points:3,985,180 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:52:20 AM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse Look for more fines imposed on all car makers. This is another way for the government to raise revenue (that will be passed on to the consumer) without calling it a tax.
Diesel_Ram Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,507 Points:1,519,435 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:51:39 AM Ignore Diesel_Ram Report Abuse Yesterdays story
WTLITNG Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,855 Points:1,016,090 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:51:14 AM Ignore WTLITNG Report Abuse It's about time.
BillHeatherL Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,648 Points:1,925,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:51:10 AM Ignore BillHeatherL Report Abuse it says estimated mpg on the sticker
scrossi Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,889 Points:1,049,465 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:51:01 AM Ignore scrossi Report Abuse Old news.
Stevedog Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,858 Points:1,946,870 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:50:58 AM Ignore Stevedog Report Abuse keep 'em honest
dlemma Champion Author Wyoming Posts:4,111 Points:1,555,995 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:49:19 AM Ignore dlemma Report Abuse your fascist EPA at work.
DerTaubman Champion Author Detroit Posts:7,318 Points:1,530,845 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:48:35 AM Ignore DerTaubman Report Abuse Fuel mileage should be decided by the market anyway.
ibhenry Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,536 Points:457,195 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:47:15 AM Ignore ibhenry Report Abuse EPA, another industry with a lot of cogs and no action...
INBwana Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,466 Points:696,960 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:46:54 AM Ignore INBwana Report Abuse Disband the EPA.
Bullseye520 Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,202 Points:668,365 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:46:52 AM Ignore Bullseye520 Report Abuse Should have been done much sooner!
suzyq2007 Champion Author Dallas Posts:7,169 Points:1,650,925 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:45:11 AM Ignore suzyq2007 Report Abuse they should have to reimburse them for this
THEDodgeman Champion Author Denver Posts:8,002 Points:1,948,490 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:45:11 AM Ignore THEDodgeman Report Abuse good
techque Champion Author St. Louis Posts:8,660 Points:2,420,605 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:45:11 AM Ignore techque Report Abuse your fascist EPA at work.
olebufnav Champion Author Omaha Posts:3,983 Points:1,024,205 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:44:41 AM Ignore olebufnav Report Abuse netman44 (below) nailed it...
Tiernan2012 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:1,098 Points:177,235 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:44:40 AM Ignore Tiernan2012 Report Abuse Probe away!
kishoreCA Champion Author Ventura Posts:3,123 Points:393,120 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:42:01 AM Ignore kishoreCA Report Abuse well, they will give an apology and get away with it. and those who bought these cars just for the mileage would still feel being fooled.
netman044 Champion Author Texas Posts:6,848 Points:1,289,775 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:41:11 AM Ignore netman044 Report Abuse Letting the EPA investigate car manufacturers is like letting a fox guard the chicken house
WestMichigan Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,483 Points:556,815 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:37:42 AM Ignore WestMichigan Report Abuse ok
craigsf38 Champion Author Rochester Posts:5,718 Points:1,511,230 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:36:49 AM Ignore craigsf38 Report Abuse Old news but still about time
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,307 Points:2,144,070 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:36:49 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Nov 14, 2012 8:21:55 AM, goalie1950 wrote: >Once again. Old news that people are tired reading about. Don't whine. You got 25 points for reading it again, and 20 points for whining about reading it again.
Asbury09 Champion Author Iowa Posts:7,218 Points:1,531,280 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:36:18 AM Ignore Asbury09 Report Abuse dump the EPA and save tax dollars
jayrad1957 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:19,656 Points:1,598,465 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:35:47 AM Ignore jayrad1957 Report Abuse My 2010 Elantra gets the mpg stated. No complaints here.
krobp46 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,716 Points:542,070 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:35:43 AM Ignore krobp46 Report Abuse Abolish the EPA
PrepHermit Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,106 Points:1,645,155 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:35:12 AM Ignore PrepHermit Report Abuse I learned this yesterday right here.
STLcardsfan Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,039 Points:1,374,560 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:34:48 AM Ignore STLcardsfan Report Abuse On a year round average my Prius is right on the estimated milage, Right at 50 MPG for the first 3 years. Better in warmer weather, less in cold. Very happy with it.
us30ride Champion Author Fort Wayne Posts:3,335 Points:713,610 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:34:48 AM Ignore us30ride Report Abuse It is what it is! Most gas milege is dependant on the driver.
beale055 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,292 Points:426,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:34:24 AM Ignore beale055 Report Abuse Wasteful
Tutootin Champion Author Toronto Posts:10,126 Points:3,078,405 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:33:49 AM Ignore Tutootin Report Abuse TBecker1415, Great post. I especially appreciate your sense of humor.
beale055 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,292 Points:426,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:33:41 AM Ignore beale055 Report Abuse After bailing em out?
blackberry522 Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:344 Points:86,075 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:33:38 AM Ignore blackberry522 Report Abuse Obviously we need people to protect our environment. But the EPA is helping to ruin our country instead.